EU exit, for or against?

[lee]

"What did the EU ever do for us?
Not much, apart from: providing 57% of our trade;
structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline;
clean beaches and rivers;
cleaner air;
lead free petrol;
restrictions on landfill dumping;
a recycling culture;
cheaper mobile charges;
cheaper air travel;
improved consumer protection and food labelling;
a ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives;
better product safety;
single market competition bringing quality improvements and better industrial performance;
break up of monopolies;
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection;
no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market;
price transparency and removal of commission on currency exchanges across the eurozone;
freedom to travel, live and work across Europe;
funded opportunities for young people to undertake study or work placements abroad;
access to European health services;
labour protection and enhanced social welfare;
smoke-free workplaces;
equal pay legislation;
holiday entitlement;
the right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime;
strongest wildlife protection in the world;
improved animal welfare in food production;
EU-funded research and industrial collaboration;
EU representation in international forums;
bloc EEA negotiation at the WTO;
EU diplomatic efforts to uphold the nuclear non-proliferation treaty;
European arrest warrant;
cross border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling; counter terrorism intelligence;
European civil and military co-operation in post-conflict zones in Europe and Africa;
support for democracy and human rights across Europe and beyond;
investment across Europe contributing to better living standards and educational, social and cultural capital.
All of this is nothing compared with its greatest achievements: the EU has for 60 years been the foundation of peace.

Yeah, but apart from that, what has Europe ever done for us?.....:


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[Barts dad]

The below link, albeit from 2008, and a little lengthy, contains some thought provoking words for those in favour of a yes vote at this time.

http://en.europenews.dk/Ten-Reasons-to- ... 78453.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[lee]

Stay in. An out vote is a flounce !

Ha ha

Best argument yet.


At the moment i would say i am slightly more in favour of staying in.
I can only see one reason to leave which is to do with the amount of money it costs us to be in the club.
However im still trying to see exactly what we get for that and im pretty sure that if we saved that money, there would be something else that would swallow it up before things like local spending cuts were relaxed, police numbers were increased, etc etc.

Hmmmm.


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[Dave]

i would say I'm more inclined to vote out….Norway are not in and they seem to do ok.

If you think about this, putting the subject on one side and looking at the politics, Cameron has achieved a remarkable thing.
He's going to be the leader of a campaign backed by both Corbyn and Sturgeon. Never in a million years did I think all three would agree on the same thing

[alex]

OUT

[ListerTheStupid]

"What did the EU ever do for us?
Not much, apart from: providing 57% of our trade;
structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline;
clean beaches and rivers;
cleaner air;
lead free petrol;
restrictions on landfill dumping;
a recycling culture;
cheaper mobile charges;
cheaper air travel;
improved consumer protection and food labelling;
a ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives;
better product safety;
single market competition bringing quality improvements and better industrial performance;
break up of monopolies;
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection;
no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market;
price transparency and removal of commission on currency exchanges across the eurozone;
freedom to travel, live and work across Europe;
funded opportunities for young people to undertake study or work placements abroad;
access to European health services;
labour protection and enhanced social welfare;
smoke-free workplaces;
equal pay legislation;
holiday entitlement;
the right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime;
strongest wildlife protection in the world;
improved animal welfare in food production;
EU-funded research and industrial collaboration;
EU representation in international forums;
bloc EEA negotiation at the WTO;
EU diplomatic efforts to uphold the nuclear non-proliferation treaty;
European arrest warrant;
cross border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling; counter terrorism intelligence;
European civil and military co-operation in post-conflict zones in Europe and Africa;
support for democracy and human rights across Europe and beyond;
investment across Europe contributing to better living standards and educational, social and cultural capital.
All of this is nothing compared with its greatest achievements: the EU has for 60 years been the foundation of peace.

Yeah, but apart from that, what has Europe ever done for us?.....:


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[Stumoores]

And then there's this to consider ?

[cupidstunt]

Exactly what i said in my previous post this is why we need to fuck the EU off and take control of our own destiny or believe me if you think its bad now you aint seen nothing yet ! Remember what Enoch said in his rivers of blood speech boy was he right

[Cabernet]

And then there's this to consider ?

The content of your posts seem to conflict.
Are you posting arguements for thought, without taking a stance? Fine if you are, but just don't want to miss something if you are arguing from a specific case for one side or other.

[Occams Razor]

Exactly what i said in my previous post this is why we need to fuck the EU off and take control of our own destiny or believe me if you think its bad now you aint seen nothing yet ! Remember what Enoch said in his rivers of blood speech boy was he right

No he wasn't, 1968 nearly 50 years ago and no sign of anything like it, although if you read the Daily Mail..........